Bypass Oil Filters, where is the oil test data?

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LoneSprinter

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There is a lot of information/hype concerning oil bypass filters. I've been specifically looking at the Insane Diesel kit for my 2016 2.1L. What I haven't found is any before and after oil analysis reports proving the $900 kit and the on going $50 filter elements actually perform as advertised...on any vehicles. The Insane...Diesel claims:

BENEFITS OF ULTRA-FINE OIL FILTRATION


• Radically extend engine life 2X
• Reduce engine wear
• Keep oil up to 4X cleaner than new oil
• Progressive 3 stage filtration down to 1 micron, won't clog or drop efficiency like others filters
• Reduce soot and carbon buildup
• Reduce erosion of hoses & seals
• Extend oil change intervals
• Remove 99.9% of moisture
• Improve gas mileage
• Improve oil cooling
• Large housing holds 4000X more contaminants than OEM filters
• Easy installation and maintenance
• 15K (or up to *25K miles) 250 hours, or 1 year before maintenance is needed
• *Condition based oil analysis monitoring recommended when extending oil/filter change intervals

Cons:
$900 initial cost plus installation
$50 replacement filter elements and approximately another quart of oil every oil change
Additional potential oil leak paths
Potential for catastrophic engine damage should any component fail i.e. hose burst or fitting break (I was told if YOU add a TEE fitting to the feed line setup it would provide a port for an oil pressure indicator. Which is something I would love to add as my 2016 inexplicably does not already have, nor does even a Scan Guage III provide?)
One comment stated return oil flowing into the oil filler tube on some vehicles can be sucked somewhere it is not supposed to go? I don't see this as an issue on the 2.1L.

I would only do this if I added an oil pressure indicator, don't have to drill into the engine, and if someone could tell me where I can find some actual before and after oil analysis test data proving the ID filters perform as advertised. I sent an inquiry to Blackstone-labs but I've not received a response to date. From what I've read it may take 4 or more bypass filter change intervals before the results stabilize. It appears to depend upon how many miles or how dirty your engine is at the time of installation.

If someone has installed an Insane Diesel bypass Oil filter kit, has had it for a while, and regularly has their engine oil analyzed. Please post the before and after data here!

Insane Diesel also recommends their Lorenzo's Oil Fuel Treatment. I watched a couple of videos with very a prominent lab's test results. There were a couple of winners: The Oil Geek's: Fuel additives: posted 6 months ago. Repair Geek and Lake Speed Jr. evaluation posted 8 months ago.

Anyone using either Opti-Lube XPD, Lorenzo's Oil Fuel Treatment, or Power Service DieselKleen+ that can share some engine oil analysis data?



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lindenengineering

Well-known member
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Insane Diesel doesn't inspire any enthusiasm, who on earth was inspired to name t that OR in fact try to market it!!!
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Of course nothing new!
By Pass oil filters including centrifugal have been employed for decades especially at the heavy/and industrial; end.
Really a bit of an overkill BUT i suppose If you are service neglectful or want to brag then i suppose it has "some tangible lf not some pub/bar inspiring benefit, debate
Dennis
 
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CappyJax

Active member
I have been looking at this for a while now and the thing that makes me pause is that bypass filters are supposed to work with slow flow. They aren't supposed to have a high flow rate through them. And yet they advertise that you can hook up an oil cooler in series with the filter which requires a fairly high flow rate to be effective.

But the thing I don't understand is that if these are installed in series, then no oil will be going through the filter until the oil is warm enough to open the thermostat. So, if it is very cold out, then it might not open at all.

I think having them in parallel would be better, but not sure if they oil would go through the filter if all of it goes through the oil cooler.

I reached out to them, but they aren't good about answering questions that are not sales related.
 
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Happy29

2020 2500 OM642 4x2 170HR
‘I reached out to them, but they aren't good about answering questions that are not sales related’

a very good reason to avoid them!

Regarding the bypass filter in general. For the spend one could do a lot more oil changes without the risk and achieve the same thing.
 
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CappyJax

Active member
Happy29 said:
‘I reached out to them, but they aren't good about answering questions that are not sales related’

a very good reason to avoid them!

Regarding the bypass filter in general. For the spend one could do a lot more oil changes without the risk and achieve the same thing.
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Not really. The particulates build in size pretty quickly and keeping them out of the oil can significantly increase the life of the engine. Also, I will still change oil at 5K miles because it is cheap insurance.

I think I am going to build my own oil cooler and bypass system and just tap into the sides of the oil pan and use an electric pump to circulate the oil. I'll use an Amsoil bypass filter and run it in parallel. The mount is $90 and the filter is $80. The over heating oil in the 2.0's is terrible.
 
AH64ID

AH64ID

2025 AWD 144HR
CappyJax said:
Not really. The particulates build in size pretty quickly and keeping them out of the oil can significantly increase the life of the engine. Also, I will still change oil at 5K miles because it is cheap insurance.

I think I am going to build my own oil cooler and bypass system and just tap into the sides of the oil pan and use an electric pump to circulate the oil. I'll use an Amsoil bypass filter and run it in parallel. The mount is $90 and the filter is $80. The over heating oil in the 2.0's is terrible.
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The effectiveness of the bypass has a lot to do with the ratings on the full flow filter. Anyone know the specs of the MB OM654 filter?

I’ve ran Amsoil bypass filters on multiple vehicles (gas and diesels), but their effectiveness on diesels and soot removal has decreased since all modern diesels have EGRs and oil specs keep the soot suspended in submicron size and it’s nearly impossible to filter it out anymore.

Id really like to know how good the OEM OM654 filter is and i’d like to see Donaldson make a Synteq filter for it.
 
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photau01

Active member
CappyJax said:
Not really. The particulates build in size pretty quickly and keeping them out of the oil can significantly increase the life of the engine. Also, I will still change oil at 5K miles because it is cheap insurance.

I think I am going to build my own oil cooler and bypass system and just tap into the sides of the oil pan and use an electric pump to circulate the oil. I'll use an Amsoil bypass filter and run it in parallel. The mount is $90 and the filter is $80. The over heating oil in the 2.0's is terrible.
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Overheating oil in the 2.0s?? Have I missed something??
 
Kajtek1

Kajtek1

1922 Ford T. No OBD
I don't see lab tests showing particles of any size.
I inquired one time about iron, who per my understanding should be catch by filter and Blackstone answered, that they measure miniature particles, who will never be catch by filter.
Dave is advertising oversized filters, who replace factory filter on Dodge Trucks.
But beside sale pitch, he is not presenting any test results.
How crucial is fine oil filtration? Our transmissions work with clutch dust suspended in oil their whole life.
There is still lot of small engines, who never had oil filters (Honda generators).
My Ford T never had oil filter and originally never had air filter, yet it runs for 103 years.
Last question, even if the better filter will extend engine life by 10%, do you really want to worry, that your engine will reach only 900,000 miles and not full million?
 
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Green Maned Lion

Green Maned Lion

Der Unverbesserliche.
Kajtek1 said:
I don't see lab tests showing particles of any size.
I inquired one time about iron, who per my understanding should be catch by filter and Blackstone answered, that they measure miniature particles, who will never be catch by filter.
Dave is advertising oversized filters, who replace factory filter on Dodge Trucks.
But beside sale pitch, he is not presenting any test results.
How crucial is fine oil filtration? Our transmissions work with clutch dust suspended in oil their whole life.
There is still lot of small engines, who never had oil filters (Honda generators).
My Ford T never had oil filter and originally never had air filter, yet it runs for 103 years.
Last question, even if the better filter will extend engine life by 10%, do you really want to worry, that your engine will reach only 900,000 miles and not full million?
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It is hard to treat people seriously who take Dave seriously, seriously.
 
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Happy29

2020 2500 OM642 4x2 170HR
CappyJax said:
Not really. The particulates build in size pretty quickly and keeping them out of the oil can significantly increase the life of the engine. Also, I will still change oil at 5K miles because it is cheap insurance.

I think I am going to build my own oil cooler and bypass system and just tap into the sides of the oil pan and use an electric pump to circulate the oil. I'll use an Amsoil bypass filter and run it in parallel. The mount is $90 and the filter is $80. The over heating oil in the 2.0's is terrible.
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Are you sure? Less particles are good but diesel oil is designed to hold a shit ton of it in suspension. Now if the oil shears out no amount of filtering will recover it. Cooler oil is better to avoid chopping those long molecules into smaller molecules...longer life oil and maybe engine, possibly. I still think 5-6k OCI and diligent monitoring of temps (oil and trans, plus coolant) and back out of it when 'too hot' or add a cooler is a better scheme vs. bypass oil filtering. How long would you plan to run the oil if the bypass was in place? More than 10k? 20k? If not, it doesn't seem like a good use of the $.
 
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Diver160651

Diver160651

170 ext 3500 4x4
I looked into this, along with their oil cooler. After talking to a few users and realizing the system only works by bleeding off a small percentage of oil, and didn’t cool very much if any. I decided to go with Jake’s Fabworks oil cooler instead.

That said, I’m thinking I’ll feel better sticking to 5–6k oil change intervals, with or without a bypass filter. So the real question is: how much does the bypass system’s small oil bleed-off actually help when you’re already changing oil every 5k -6k miles?
 
Green Maned Lion

Green Maned Lion

Der Unverbesserliche.
Diver160651 said:
I looked into this, along with their oil cooler. After talking to a few users and realizing the system only works by bleeding off a small percentage of oil, and didn’t cool very much if any. I decided to go with Jake’s Fabworks oil cooler instead.

That said, I’m thinking I’ll feel better sticking to 5–6k oil change intervals, with or without a bypass filter. So the real question is: how much does the bypass system’s small oil bleed-off actually help when you’re already changing oil every 5k -6k miles?
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I doubt it does a dang thing.
 
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