Enshitification

[RVBarry]

Likewise, she was considering a 'ergonomic' mouse of the type you hold... oh boy I can't describe it, here:

My coworker got one after getting carpal tunnel, called it a 'Vertical Mouse'.
I have it around somewhere, as he gave it to me when he retired.

 

[flman]

Its a combination of them. The promoted listings (and many consumers considering purchase price in exclusion to lifecycle cost) cost sales of superior products, eventually making those products uneconomical to produce. No matter how much better they are, and how well promoted they are, you will have a hard time selling a lot of $500 keyboards in a world where $10 functional ones exist and $100 decent ones exist.

I actually had a miserable time yesterday; my mother decided that her Intel MacBookPro (or rather my late fathers) was getting slow; it must have been 7 or 8 years old I think, and had me walk her through buying a new computer which ended up being an iMac. I learned this was a mistake; I should have steered her towards another MBP.

Anyway, the relevant thing was I was trying to explain to her several keypoints: 1) since she has recently been diagnosed with carpel tunnel, she probably doesn't want a keyboard angled the way my dad's laptop's keyboard was angled (up about 35°), 2) If she is going to use a mouse it needs to have wrist support for the mouse pad, and 3) LOOK AT THE PRODUCT! I don't care if the title says this mousepad has wrist support; the images of it clearly show it does not! Either the picture is bullshit, or the title of the listing is; DO NOT BUY IT!

Likewise, she was considering a 'ergonomic' mouse of the type you hold... oh boy I can't describe it, here:

View attachment 400072
Anyway, she wants that mouse located like a trackpad is on a laptop, so just in front of the spacebar. I couldn't explain 1) a description of ergonomic means that somebody either finds that product ergonomic for them or thought they could sell a product like this with the description of ergonomic; it does not mean its actually better for everyone, and 2) It is inherently impossible to leave a mouse of that shape in front of your keyboard and type on the keyboard.

I think a lot of products are sold because people trust descriptions written by people trying to sell products! Why bother making it good if consumers are that stupid?

You just gotta stop...

 

[Green Maned Lion]

My coworker got one after getting carpal tunnel, called it a 'Vertical Mouse'.
I have it around somewhere, as he gave it to me when he retired.

I can't imagine it being comfortable, I don't like moving around a mouse of any description.

My main point is that if someone is willing to make judgement of something's comfort simply based on an advertisement designating it so...

 

[EBS-P]

Its a combination of them. The promoted listings (and many consumers considering purchase price in exclusion to lifecycle cost) cost sales of superior products, eventually making those products uneconomical to produce. No matter how much better they are, and how well promoted they are, you will have a hard time selling a lot of $500 keyboards in a world where $10 functional ones exist and $100 decent ones exist.

I actually had a miserable time yesterday; my mother decided that her Intel MacBookPro (or rather my late fathers) was getting slow; it must have been 7 or 8 years old I think, and had me walk her through buying a new computer which ended up being an iMac. I learned this was a mistake; I should have steered her towards another MBP.

Anyway, the relevant thing was I was trying to explain to her several keypoints: 1) since she has recently been diagnosed with carpel tunnel, she probably doesn't want a keyboard angled the way my dad's laptop's keyboard was angled (up about 35°), 2) If she is going to use a mouse it needs to have wrist support for the mouse pad, and 3) LOOK AT THE PRODUCT! I don't care if the title says this mousepad has wrist support; the images of it clearly show it does not! Either the picture is bullshit, or the title of the listing is; DO NOT BUY IT!

Likewise, she was considering a 'ergonomic' mouse of the type you hold... oh boy I can't describe it, here:

View attachment 400072
Anyway, she wants that mouse located like a trackpad is on a laptop, so just in front of the spacebar. I couldn't explain 1) a description of ergonomic means that somebody either finds that product ergonomic for them or thought they could sell a product like this with the description of ergonomic; it does not mean its actually better for everyone, and 2) It is inherently impossible to leave a mouse of that shape in front of your keyboard and type on the keyboard.

I think a lot of products are sold because people trust descriptions written by people trying to sell products! Why bother making it good if consumers are that stupid?

I used a Kenisis split keyboard with a magic track pad for several years. I like it. It’s the closest I got to the laptop feel on a desktop.

 

[Green Maned Lion]

I used a Kenisis split keyboard with a magic track pad for several years. I like it. It’s the closest I got to the laptop feel on a desktop.

That kind of sounds backasswards to be; I would think you'd be aiming for a desktop feel on laptop. If you really want a laptop feel on a desktop, one of those old IBM trackpad keyboards oughtta work; its just a thinkpad keyboard basically.

 

[ECU]

Why would you want a laptop feel when not required to?
Like building an RV shower in your home.

 

[Green Maned Lion]

Why would you want a laptop feel when not required to?
Like building an RV shower in your home.

A laptop feel to me is a crick in my neck!

 

[flman]

Why would you want a laptop feel when not required to?
Like building an RV shower in your home.

I agree I hate laptops. I'd rather use my phone. I used to connect a real keyboard, and a full size wireless mouse to laptops.

 

[Green Maned Lion]

I agree I hate laptops. I'd rather use my phone. I used to connect a real keyboard, and a full size wireless mouse to laptops.

I thought you said it was a logitech, not a real keyboard.

 

[flman]

I thought you said it was a logitech, not a real keyboard.

I thought you said you were a moron, yes you did.